Who was worse Hitler or Churchill?

Answer 1

Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.

Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill, and British rule of India (that Hitler intended as a model in his brutal oppression of the Slavs and Jews).

Churchill was responsible for starvation of 7 millions of Indian people, while British rule is responsible for genocide that resulted one billion of Indian lives lost.

Facinating!

According to the book I read there wasnt one billion Indians during the 1700's till 1945 when the British empire decolonised. In fact it would mean that 1 sixth of the whole planets poulation today would live in India.

This is incredible since China only has an estimated 1.6 billion today. My my, India would be a crowded place on the planet!

Lets start calculating this. 1876 India becomes part of the British empire 1945 Britain starts decolonisation. Thats 69 years. Say add 20 years for conquest 80 years or there abouts. One billion into 80.(Ill use an American billion to give you a chance in your argument) That means that 12.5 million people in India were personally murdered by Churchill per year for 80 years!Churchill was the First Minister of the Treasury for 10 years total. He must have been a busy boy!

Churchill was unashamed racist,

So were many people during this period of history. You cannot apply current political correctness in historic retrospect.

Abraham Lincon was documented as being pro-slavery prior to and after instigating the antislavery act in America. So for Churchill to be a racist may we be true, but not unusual of the period.

was in favor of use of poison gas on "uncivilized tribes"

Was he? I think you'll find that the books actually say "The British had considered using poison gas against the Kurds but it was never implemented". So because Churchill was British he personally was in favour of using poison gas?

Lots of things are considered in any government of any country, few of them are actually implemented. After all isn't that what a Parliament, senate or assembly is all about? Selecting and discarding options according to merit and sensibility.

(Hitler used Zyklon B on Jews, and British used mustard gas on Iraqi women and children).

There is no reference to this. Saddam Hussien used mustard gas on his own poeple. I think you are confused.

But... "Mustard Gas (Yperite) was first used by the German Army in September 1917"

British invented concentration camps in the Boer war, killing women and children. Hitler imitated British in every way, but racist theories and policies, implemented by Churchill in during and after WWI, and in WWII are of British origin.

No the Russians invented the term concentration camp which the Polish historian Władysław Konopczyński documented as being created in Poland in the 18th century.

Besides which concentration camp as a term is quoted in the roundhouse dictionary as meaning "A guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc." This is somewhat different to the use of the concentration camps by the Nazi's which were effectively factories for the murder of anyone whom the Nazi regieme considered not racially pure.

Hitler spared what he hoped to be his potential allies in Dunkirk,

Hitler admired the British people, so what? And hitler spared the allies at Dunkirk? Hitler didn't order the German army to halt Gerd Von Rundstedt and Gunther Von Kluge suggested that they should consolidate their position to avoid the allies breaking through at a weak point. There was no empathy in this, it was simple logistics.

but Churchill believed higher race are British, not all Germanic people.

Documentary evidence source please?

He killed millions in firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and many other cities.

Quoted from wikkipedia...

"The Bombing of Dresden was a military bombing by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the United States Army Air Force (USAAF)"...

"A 1953 United States Air Forcereport written by Joseph W. Angell defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transportation and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of theNazi war effort"

Doesn't sound like a wholly British operation to me. But you have to consider that there were no convinient smart bombs or Apache "See the whites of their eyes" Helicopters available at the time.

The civilian casualty losses to Dresden were estimated at 22,000.

Both Churchill and Hitler were in favor of eugenics.

Yes they were but you left out a lot of other poeple like Margeret Sanger, Theodore Roosavelt, H.G.Wells, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard, and that the sterilisation of "Defectives" had already been carried out in the United States.

Those people changed their minds about Eugenics. Hitler did not.

Hitler was a kindly man, vegetarian who didn't drink or smoke. He suffered from flatulence.

I'm sure he was a lovely man, if you didn't happen to be;

A gypsy, a Jew, a Negro, an Asian, physically disabled, mentally retarded, unemployed, have a hereditary defect, short, epileptic,

... or within ten feet of him after a curry night.

Churchill was an ill tempered alcoholic,

But a fantastic orator and (allegedly) wasn't flatulant. Score one to Churchill!

who smoked fat cigars

This point is totally irelevant. Yes he did and this wasn't particularly unusual for this period in time. Most people smoked and it wasn't seen as doing anything wrong. besides fat cigars are much better than those skinny ones, ask Bill Clinton.

... and held his meetings in nude.

This refers to a single incident which was reported by his stenographer. Its worth pointing out that he was in his bedroom in the Whitehouse at the time and had just that second, got out of the bath when Roosevelt walked in unnannounced. Churchill Joked "You see, Mr. President, I have nothing to hide from you." It's worth noting that after Churchills death the story was expanded to include a meeting in the nude. Sounds like his stenographer wanted to sell a few extra books by adding a bit of sensation to the mix!

Roosevelt was against both Third Reich (that he fought against and helped Russians beat the Hitler) and atrocious British Empire (that, mostly thanks to Roosevelt, also dissolved after the WWII). He was a great US president, and is universally respected.

Do you think you think he missed the bit about Roosavelt being in favour of eugenics? Selective memory perhaps?

Death toll:

Hitler and Nazi Germany : 30 million (6 million in direct genocide)

Churchill and British Empire: 1 billion

(Do the math people!)

(7 million Indians in one genocidal incident alone, rarely mentioned today)

So rare that there is no record of it. Youd think that some other country not involved would mention this little nugget but nope.

But for comparison lets look at the track record of a few other organisations.

The Roman Empire comparitively millions compared with the population at the time.

The Roman Catholic Church millions. (Remember Torquemarda, cos NOBODY expects the Spanish inquisition!).

The Spanish Empire, an entire civilisation.(South America Incas)

The Soviet Union (Name your state!).

The Spartans ...(errr lots But three hundred died(Allegedly!)).

Here's a fun list of Genocides in history on wikipedia no one country misses out on this list! [Ref: 1 bottom of page related links]

Nobody says it is right to create an Empire by conquest but if you get back to the crux of this Neo Nazi rhetoric, it was about Churchill and Hitler, not about the British Empire.

Churchill didn't create the British Empire, he was prime minister from 1940 - 1945 and 1951-1955.

The first British Empire started in 1583-1783. The British empire you know started in 1783 and ended in 1945. If this is taken into account it actually looks like Churchill was central to ending the British Empire.

Both Churchill and Hitler were racists, for eugenics, use of poison gas and concentration camps, Hitler in fact emulated Churchill.

Dont forget Roosevelt, a documented supporter of eugenics!

Poeple sometimes support bad things, not everyone acts on those things and kills poeple over it at least I don't remember H.G.Wells creating an army and using eugenics to support the murder of weomen and children in death camps yet he too supported eugenics.

Yet due to propaganda, their images are distorted.

A fact well known by Joseph Goebbels (Propaganda minister). It seems that many facts have been distorted here Joseph would be proud to know that you are continuing his legacy.

Clearly, Churchill was worse

Only in your Neo-Nazi mind.

Answer 2

Churchill was a murderous monster, responsible for Bengal famine (6 million deaths), racist, eugenic, who admired Mussolini and Hitler up to late 30s, and should be remembered as a racist fanatic he was.

This is Churchill in his own words:

"I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes." House of Commons, 1919, on use of mustard gas against Iraqi women and children

"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937 (both American Indians and Aborgines of Australia were brutally exterminated in genocide by British Imperialists)

"One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."

Churchill in Great Contemporaries, 1937

"This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920

Hitler was responsible for deaths of 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, and millions of other people.

Also, he had concentration camps and was a racist, but he modeled his policies on another abominable racist, who inspired him and his crimes - on Churchill, and British rule of India (that Hitler intended as a model in his brutal oppression of the Slavs and Jews).

Churchill was responsible for starvation of 7 millions of Indian people, while British rule is responsible for genocide that resulted one 1.8 billion of Indian lives lost - yearly death toll was 3.4% during 200 years of brutal rule of India, that Hitler wanted to model (and indeed has "modeled") his rule of Russia on. That's about 8-10 million excess deaths per year. Many famines killed 10s of millions of Indians in span of few months. Churchill was unashamed racist, was in favor of use of poison gas on "uncivilized tribes" (Hitler used Zyklon B on Jews, and British used mustard gas on Iraqi women and children in the 1920s). British invented concentration camps of the sort Hitler would later emulate in the Boer war, killing 28,000 women and children. Hitler imitated British in every way, but racist theories and policies, implemented by Churchill in during and after WWI, and in WWII are of British origin. Hitler spared what he hoped to be his potential allies in Dunkirk, but Churchill believed higher race are British, not all Germanic people. He killed millions in firebombing of Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin and many other cities. Both Churchill and Hitler were in favor of eugenics.

Hitler was a kindly man, who never forgot employee birthday, vegetarian who didn't drink or smoke. Churchill was an ill tempered alcoholic, who smoked fat cigars and held his meetings in nude. His "nude club" was well known as ring of his closest confidents, most of them racists and Imperialists.

Death toll:

Hitler and Nazi Germany : 30 million (6 million in direct genocide)

Churchill and British Empire: 1.8 billion (7 million Indians in one genocidal incident alone, rarely mentioned today). Brutal genocide of "Red Indians" (as they called them), Indians (1.8 billion excess deaths), Australian Aborigines (in Tasmania they went extinct, and in rest of Australia, 90% were exterminated).

Both Churchill and Hitler were racists, for eugenics, use of poison gas and concentration camps, Hitler in fact emulated Churchill.

Yet due to Propaganda, their images are distorted. The brainwashing is done so extremely, that with religious fanaticism moderators here block content from published books by respected scholars (Guggenheim fellowship winner), and quotes that were even published in british press and are not controversial at all.

Both Hitler and Churchill were clearly criminals.

Clearly, both were racist, Churchill even to greater extent than Hitler, but Churchill managed to get his record cleared from history textbooks. Does that censorship make him a better man?

Why is it OK here to ask who was worse - Stalin or Hitler, and not to compare Hitler and Churchill, who had much more in common. Clearly, western propaganda can make Stalin look bad, while he alone with Russian people is responsible for beating the Nazis, citing Ukrainian famine as his greatest crime (by death toll), same is done with Mao, while Churchill is responsible for far greater famine in India (7 million deaths).

There is a link below for some of the Churchill crimes

Hitler was referred to as kindly man by those who worked with him - his secretaries and technical staff. This was quoted in media recently a lot. He never forgot an employee birthday, for instance.

That he was responsible for some of the worst crimes that happened in History, is not in contradiction with him being a kind man. He followed extreme ideology (of racism), but so were rulers of Britain (who had many gentlemen in their ranks of criminal racist governors of Britain, though Churchill was a crude man, not among those gentlemen).

Hitler is in a way a perfect exemplar of Victorian Imperial British gentlemen. That we do not think of Victorian gentlemen in terms of Hitlerian crimes and their deeply racist legacy (that inspired Hitler), is a proof of power of western propaganda (that owes much to dr Goebbels and lady (oops, i mean Leni) Riefenstahl, admired in the West for their technical skill).

As for the total of 1 billion, in fact it is 1.8 billion, according to this quote:

1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945].

Not all of these deaths were under Churchill (1.8 billion is total of EXCESS deaths, that includes demographic losses etc), the total of 1.8 billion is under 200 years of British rule of India. It is comparable to the 40 million EXCESS deaths (demographic losses etc) frequently mentioned for Stalin, or 60 million EXCESS deaths (demographic losses etc) for Mao. Stalin is in fact responsible for around 1 million deaths in Gulag and during the 30s, and for Ukraininan famine (5-6 million), deaths).

Churchill said about Indians to an advisor in 1943, "I hate Indians. They are beastly people with a beastly religion." He considered assassinating Gandhi in the 30s, but was stopped, just like he was stopped from implementing Eugenics in 1910, when he said:

"The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed."

Recently, President Obama returned Churchill bust from the White House. Obama's father was tortured in Africa during British Imperial rule, and Churchill. That's why he has thrown bust of this criminal out of White House.

Churchill said: "History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." And it was, up to recently. As the once oppressed world develops, truth about this brutal criminal, in many ways worse than Hitler, is coming out.

I recommend reading book by an Indian author Madhusree Mukerjee, a Guggenheim fellowship winner, called "CHURCHILL'S SECRET WAR: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India During World War II"

from 2010, ISBN: 9780465002016

He knew about Pearl Harbor, but did not report to Americans. In fact, he ordered all those few British soldiers who knew about it (as information leaked) to be strangled by MI6. Licence to kill, indeed!